
You are not crazy, something is wrong with the church!
SELF TEST - AM I A NUMO?
SO NOW WHAT IF I THINK I AM A NUMO?
Regardless of whether a Numo leaves the Church or stays in it, a Numo needs to go into the wilderness as Lehi and his family did. You do this to help you disassociate from distractions and focus more on God. Of course, this can be done without literally going into the wilderness. The important thing to understand is that it will not be business as usual; you will need to make fundamental changes in attitude and make sacrifices.
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The sacrifices you make in the wilderness will likely not be from your list, but God's. There may be obvious changes you know you need to repent of or tweak about yourself. But the most transformative ones will be made to you directly from the Spirit, like unto the parable of the Rich Young Man from the New Testament.
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The Parable of the Rich Young Man is about a wealthy individual who has kept all of God's commandments from his youth on, yet still felt as though he lacked something. He approached the Savior with his problem, to which Christ told him to sell all that he had and give it to the poor. This story is illustrated in the YouTube video, Lost Doctrine Episode 2 "Broken Heart & Contrite Spirit"

A popular Numo content creator named Justin Griffin gave an excellent example of how an individual can recognize Numo leanings in themselves at church, in his Youtube Video: Lost Doctrine: Episode1: "Promise of Eternal Life"
Justin said, "You might believe everything the church teaches you, believe nothing the church teaches, or you believe some of the things, and that category is where I think most people are. Why do I think that? Because when I stand in front of the Elders Quorum and ask questions I would get 26 different answers from 26 different guys about what this doctrine means."​
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Numos are different in that they are willing to test everything and accept every truth from whoever it comes from. Numos just want the truth!
MY SELF TEST SCORE - AM I A NUMO?
So how did you do? If you finished the quiz and recognized some of the same thoughts and concerns, you are beginning to see cracks within the LDS Church's "True Church" narrative.
If you did not finish the quiz, and thought the questions were unfair or not relevant to the Church, you may not be ready to look honestly and objectively at the Church. It is not easy to do so. The Church is intertwined with family, traditions, often employments and a lifetime of sacrifices made in it. The Church even becomes part of our very identify.
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But if there is a problem with the LDS Church, we owe it to ourselves and our children to know the truth and make decisions from reality rather than from fear or pride.
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There is no scorecard for this self-test, saying if you identified or didn't with a certain amount, you are a Numo. Within the quiet chambers of your mind and spirit, you will know if just one question gave you serious pause or if all or a handful did.
If these questions resonated with you, we can help you navigate this experience. It will be scary, exciting, faith promoting, lonely and challenging. Explore this site to learn more and to reach out to other Numos who can share their valuable waking up experiences.
A Numo may be in or out of the church. Numos that stay involved in the church typically recognize problems with the church but remain involved for the following reasons. 1) They still get benefit from the church. 2) They desire to help awaken others to the things they have learned about the church 3) They do so for the harmony or overall benefit of their family. 4) They feel prompted by the Lord to stay for now.
Those who leave have almost opposite mirrored reasons why they stop attending. 1) They no longer are benefitted by the church, 2) They feel by not attending they will help others see that the church is amiss and wake up. 3) They stop for the aid to their family in learning truth. 4) They feel prompted by the Lord to separate.
Often an individual will feel the Lord telling them to do the opposite of their own desires, with someone who wants to stay being told to go and vice versa.
GO INTO THE WILDERNESS LIKE LEHI
QUESTION 1:
Do you believe Polygamy is a divine doctrine?
Read the common Numo response to question #1 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 2
Are you bothered by the many allegations and credible evidence of the LDS Church failing to remove, report, or discipline members/leaders who sexually abuse other members and children, often protecting the abuser and ignoring or hiding the crime?
Read the common Numo response to question #2 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 3:
Are you bothered by the LDS Church's supposed flip-flop revelations on topics like LGBTQ policies and the use of the nickname Mormons?
Read the common Numo response to question #3 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 4:
Do you agree with the LDS Church disciplining and excommunicating members who exercise free speech and criticize Church policies or teachings, like the Covid Vaccine Mandate & Polygamy on Social Media, and commit no other offense?
Read the common Numo response to question #4 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 5:
Do you agree with the LDS Church disciplining and excommunicating members who exercise free speech and criticize Church policies or teachings, like the Covid Vaccine Mandate & Polygamy on Social Media, and commit no other offense?
Read the common Numo response to question #5 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 6:
Do you agree with the LDS Church disciplining and excommunicating members who exercise free speech and criticize Church policies or teachings, like the Covid Vaccine Mandate & Polygamy on Social Media, and commit no other offense?
Read the common Numo response to question #6 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 7:
Do you agree with the LDS Church disciplining and excommunicating members who exercise free speech and criticize Church policies or teachings, like the Covid Vaccine Mandate & Polygamy on Social Media, and commit no other offense?
Read the common Numo response to question #7 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 8:
Do you agree with the LDS Church disciplining and excommunicating members who exercise free speech and criticize Church policies or teachings, like the Covid Vaccine Mandate & Polygamy on Social Media, and commit no other offense?
Read the common Numo response to question #8 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 9:
Do you agree with the LDS Church disciplining and excommunicating members who exercise free speech and criticize Church policies or teachings, like the Covid Vaccine Mandate & Polygamy on Social Media, and commit no other offense?
Read the common Numo response to question #9 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 10:
Do you think it is a significant sign that the LDS Church has had virtually no new canonized revelations since Joseph Smith died for a Church that claims continuing revelation?
Read the common Numo response to question #10 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 11:
Are you bothered by the excess of meetings, assignments, and seemingly endless busy work in the LDS Church, which seems to have no purpose but to fill a calendar?
Read the common Numo response to question #11 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 12:
Are you let down by your lack of feeling the Spirit in LDS Church meetings, and particularly in the LDS temples, when it is supposed to be the pinnacle of worship within the LDS Church?
Read the common Numo response to question #12 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 13:
Are you concerned about Brigham Young being a real prophet and his supposed succession of Joseph Smith, since most of Brigham's teachings have been disavowed or changed by the Church, like the priesthood ban, his saying Blacks were subhuman creatures, his teachings that Adam was God, and that man could make a blood atonement?
Read the common Numo response to question #13 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 14:
Do you accept the modern LDS Church's teaching that Joseph Smith lied about Polygamy, practiced it in secret, and married young girls?
Read the common Numo response to question #14 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 15:
Do you feel that prophet and brethren worship is a problem within the LDS Church, fostered by the leaders themselves, and puts more emphasis on listening to Church Leaders rather than developing a direct relationship with Christ and hearing the Spirit's direction for yourself?
Read the common Numo response to question #15 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 16:
Did you agree or disagree with the LDS Church's actions during COVID, particularly mandating the COVID-19 vaccine for Missionaries and Church employees?
Read the common Numo response to question #16 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 17:
Do you support the LDS Church using its finances for building shopping malls, meddling in politics, and investing in stocks with businesses that do not fit with the Church's own teachings, like funding pharmaceuticals that use harvested fetal tissues rather than directly aiding the poor?
Read the common Numo response to question #17 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 18:
Do you feel like the LDS Church is guided more by focus groups, committees, and public relations motivations than by revelation?
Read the common Numo response to question #18 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 19:
Are you concerned that Russell M. Nelson, acting as a physician and prophet, encouraged members to get the COVID-19 vaccine, claimed it was a God-send, and said it was safe and effective when it turned out to be neither?
Read the common Numo response to question #19 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
QUESTION 20:
Do you trust that the LDS Church leadership is always telling the truth regarding controversial issues like Immoral Behavior by the Church and its Leaders, billion-dollar hidden bank accounts, deceptive membership statistics, and alterations in Church history?
Read the common Numo response to question #20 The Book of Mormon calls polygamy an "Abomination". See Alma 11:2 2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness. Joseph Smith publicly spoke out against polygamy and excommunicated members practicing it. Numos attribute polygamy to Brigham Young who falsely claimed Joseph started it to get others to accept it.
THE CHURCH TRIES TO DISMISS US AS JUST POLYGAMY DENIERS
One of the most controversial doctrines in the Mormon faith that members will deal with is the subject of polygamy. Sadly, most avoid the topic altogether. Here lies a surprisingly significant difference between the divisions. Numos are on one side, and the unlikely allies of Mormons and anti-Mormons are on the other when it comes to the question of whether Mormon religion founder Joseph Smith ever practiced polygamy. Numos believe Joseph Smith did not. Numos also see the Book of Mormon calling plural marriage a gross abomination without the wiggle room the LDS church tries to interject into its writing. Please investigate Numos more, divergence over polygamy is just the tip of the iceberg in regarding their departure with the LDS church.
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Numerous trivial questions could be asked about Numos, but the two most significant in the grand scheme are whether they are necessary to the Last Days and if God favors them. If you want answers to these inquiries and a look at unedited Mormon history, continue searching this site.
MORE ABOUT NUMOS
A Numo is a label coined off the cuff by Kwaku El (Mormon YouTuber/podcaster) during a Midnight Mormons/Ward Radio episode while interviewing a popular Numo named Justin Griffin. The nickname name Numo stuck. The name of this episode was "The New Mormon Offshoot in Town, "The Remnant" (feat. J. Griffin, Director, Who Killed Joseph Smith". This video is an excellent introduction to Numos and their beliefs. (View Here)
As the episode's title states, Remnant is a more scriptural descriptive name used for the movement. However, a different group with similar thoughts, led by a former LDS member named Denver Snuffer, also uses the label Remnant. Remnant Numos are sometimes confused with Denver Snuffer's group, which is why the nickname Numo has gained traction.
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To explain the label Numo or Remnant we need to point out changes that took place over time giving place for a label like Numo / Remnant in Mormonism.
The name of the church in the Book of Mormon was at times called the Church of Christ (Mosiah 18:17, Mosiah 25:18-22) . In 1830 when the church was organized by Joseph Smith it was again called the Church of Christ. Evidence of this can be found in the first scripture and tracks produced follow the church’s establishment in the Book of Commandments ( pic) which would later become the Doctrine & Covenants in 1836.
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Numo describes a person with Mormon beliefs who has awakened to the understanding that early Mormon history and teachings often differ significantly from what the modern LDS Church asserts. A Numo, on this discovery, does not throw out the baby with the bathwater, becoming an Anti-Mormon like many others. Instead, the Numo maintain their faith in the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith while distancing themselves from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. For a Numo, this starts a time of soul-searching, study and prayer. The Numo becomes like Lehi, who was shown the wickedness of Jerusalem in his day and told to go into the wilderness by the Lord.
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Numos go through a similar wilderness experience, potentially grower closer to God while relying on Him and less on the church.
Numo describes a person awakened to the understanding that early Mormon history and teachings often differ from what the modern LDS Church asserts. Still, unlike the Anti-Mormon, Numos treasure the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith. (cut)
Kwaku El did not specifically define a Numo. Still, others have tried to attach more precise identifiers and give meaning to the name, such as New Understanding (Nu) Mormons or Nuanced Mormons. Despite some efforts, there are no formalities or exacts within the growing Numo community, which also has no formal leader, organization, official doctrines, or rules of being a Numo. This site is not an official Numo site and is solely an attempt to help others get introduced to this awakened community and to aid Numos in their pursuits.
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The term Numo, like Mormon, is a nickname. A Mormon is a believer in Christ. The Book of Mormon was compiled by a man named Mormon but is a record of Christ and Christians in Ancient America. A more accurate description of who the Numos are comes from the Book of Isaiah in the Bible, which labels those who successfully go through a Numo-like experience as Remnant.
The Remnant is prophecized to be believers who will be drawn out of churches by the Lord.
Members of the church in 1830 were given the nickname Mormons due to their acceptance and use of the Book of Mormon. Those who did not regard the Book of Mormon as scripture or Joseph Smith as a prophet were known as Anti-Mormons. The name Jack Mormons was given to those while not accepting the Book of Mormon or Joseph Smith but were kind and supportive. Later the use of Jack Mormons itself evolved into being associated with Mormons which did not follow the church’s modern Word of Wisdom teachings.
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Numos are not the Remnant that the Lord that will call to go on an exodus to build Zion, but many that are selected to be apart of the exodus Remnant will have been Numos because of their early awakened state where they have had more time to prepare to be worthy and understand the pure gospel that will govern Zion. ​
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Numos have no leader, no official organization and no consensus beliefs. Numos are basically people of the Restoration communities that have become spiritually awakened to teachings that Zion will be built by individuals God chooses and not by churches or men. Numos are a people in the wilderness preparing themselves and being prepared by the Lord to possibly one day be apart of the great End Times Remnant Exodus to build Zion prior to the Lord's Second Coming.​
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Numos are not associated with the current Remnant Church, Denver Snuffer or other groups but do share some beliefs.
