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WHAT IS A NUMO ?

Many Numos are awakened by the Lord and invited to go into a prepertary Wilderness.

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Most people have assumed that when it comes to Mormonism, an individual ultimately can only settle into one of two rival camps. Either aligning with the unquestioning Latter-Day Saints or the disbelieving  Anti-Mormons.
 
A new group, nicknamed "Numos," has emerged on the Mormon-related landscape and holds what seems unimaginable: a third position. This view is only possible because a Numo finds many arguments from both Mormons and anti-Mormons credible. Examples of Numos accepting beliefs from both groups are their taking the Book of Mormon as scripture while simultaneously opposing temple rituals and polygamy. 

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The LDS Church has seen an increasing number of members go inactive or leave in recent years, due in part to the Church's ever-increasing changes, and Church actions, which have obviously been anything but True Church-like. In the past, those who stayed away or left the Church did not include leaders and stalwarts of the faith, but now they are leaving as well, leading others to wonder, "Is there something wrong with the Church?" Thus, the Believing Saints (TBMs - True Blue Mormons) increasingly become Questioning Saints, and they wonder whether there are answers to what in the heck is going on with the Church. They say to themselves. ""I sense something is not right, but if there is, what can I do? Where can I go without having to abandon my Mormon background" So most suffer silently and become either In-Actives or PIMOs (Physically In Mentally Out members). 

 

​If you have had these thoughts and feelings stirring within you, please explore this site further for answers to what is happened to the Church, and where you can go next with such doubts.

THE 4 MAIN COMPONENTS TO NUMO BELIEFS

The Real LDS Church History that the LDS Church burries and denies that explains why the LDS Church has so many problems and is hemorrhaging members.
The Real LDS
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The Doctrine of Christ 
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The Remnant & Zion

We offer you a complete and accurate understanding of Mormonism, from the original Church under Joseph Smith, to the changes made by Brigham Young and others following the Martyrdom, to the problems in the Modern LDS Church, and the Remnant to come.

Defending the Faith by Examining the Facts

Critically examining your own religion and its history can be uncomfortable and is often discouraged by churches themselves, even though the Bible admonishes believers to "prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Without a supportive framework from leaders, congregations, or friends, most people never seriously scrutinize their beliefs. The key to achieving an honest, favorable outcome is simple: judge your own faith with the exact same openness to facts and standards of evidence you would apply when evaluating someone else's religion. If you feel apprehensive, remember: if what you believe cannot tolerate critical thinking, that is a red flag that your theology warrants scrutiny. Truth never fears investigation. Numos.net is not an "Ex-Mormon" or "Anti-Mormon" platform seeking to tear down Mormon beliefs, faith in God or mock sacred things. In fact, we argue that we are far more staunch defenders of pure Mormonism than the modern corporate Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If you are an active or questioning Latter-day Saint, you might wonder: How could that possibly be true? Consider two foundational realities: we believe Joseph Smith’s public statements, and we honor what the name Mormon truly represents. The Double-Minded Church: Defending Joseph’s Integrity For decades, critics attacked Joseph Smith by calling him a deceitful polygamist. Today, astonishingly, it is the modern LDS Church that joins hands with critics in asserting that Joseph was secretly married to over thirty women—some as young as 14, and others already married to living men. Yet throughout his entire public life, Joseph Smith consistently and explicitly denied practicing or teaching plural marriage, as did his brother Hyrum Smith. Joseph took legal and ecclesiastical action against those who did, and he translated a sacred record—the Book of Mormon—that unequivocally defines non-monogamous relationships as a gross sin and an abomination (Jacob 2). Furthermore, those who knew Joseph best and stood beside him daily—his wife Emma, his brother Hyrum, and his mother Lucy Mack Smith—vehemently denounced polygamy and testified that Joseph never engaged in it. Following Joseph's murder, Emma Smith endured severe financial hardship in Nauvoo. Had she endorsed Brigham Young's new doctrinal direction and journeyed west, she could have lived in comfort, supported by the Church. She chose poverty over compromising the truth. Modern forensic genetics has vindicated her testimony: recent DNA testing has failed to produce a single verified descendant of Joseph Smith through any alleged plural wife, yet the LDS Church claims Joseph was told by the Lord to enter into these polygamous relationships to raise seed. This contradiction exposes an alarming double-mindedness at the heart of modern LDS culture: On Sunday, the congregation passionately sings "Praise to the Man who communed with Jehovah." Then, in gospel doctrine classes, manuals, and Gospel Topics Essays, the institution portrays that same man as a deceiver who would hide intimate relationships from his legal wife and lie to the public from the pulpit. The Apostle James warned: "A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways" (James 1:8). That instability does not describe the behavior of a true and living church. When Moroni told Joseph that his name would be "had for good and evil among all nations," he foretold that this division would exist not just outside the Church, but within the body of believers itself. Modern church apologists prefer to keep members trapped in debates over polygamy because it distracts from a far deeper, more systemic problem: when, why, and how the restored church lost its divine mandate. The 1834 Rebranding: Stripping Christ’s Name In October 2018, Church President Russell M. Nelson launched a sweeping campaign to abandon the nickname "Mormon," declaring that removing the name of Jesus Christ from the Church was "a major victory for Satan." Active members were told that keeping Christ's name in the title is of supreme theological importance. What members were never told is that the Church had already stripped Christ's name from its title over 180 years earlier—not by accident, but by a unanimous conference vote. When the Church was organized on April 6, 1830, revelation directed that it be named The Church of Christ (D&C 20:1), matching the resurrected Lord’s explicit command in the Book of Mormon: "How be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church." (3 Nephi 27:8) Yet on May 3, 1834, at a conference in Kirtland presided over by Joseph Smith, the members present and leadership alike took a unanimous vote to drop the name of Jesus Christ completely. For the next four years, the official title of the organization was simply The Church of Latter Day Saints. When pressed, modern apologists claim this change was merely an administrative measure to avoid confusion with other frontier groups called "Church of Christ," or to distance themselves from the label "Mormon." This explanation falls apart upon examination: 1. Historical Records Refute It: Only one small, isolated congregation in an adjoining state used the title "Church of Christ" in the early 1830s, and they rarely used it. The widespread Stone-Campbell "Churches of Christ" did not emerge until decades later. 2. It Defies Common Sense: If early Saints were desperate to prove to a skeptical public that they were bona fide Christians, why would they delete Christ's name from their letterhead? 3. It Confuses God’s Omniscience: Are we to believe the Almighty named His Church by revelation in 1830, only to discover four years later that frontier naming trends caught Him off guard? The true context for the 1834 name change is found where few members are ever directed to look: in the revelations of the Doctrine and Covenants itself. Under Divine Condemnation: D&C 84 In September 1832—twenty months before Christ’s name was removed—the Lord delivered a sobering rebuke to the Saints: And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly the things you have received—Which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation. And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion, even all. And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon..." (D&C 84:54–57) The Lord did not place a few wayward dissenters under condemnation; He placed the whole church under it. The Saints had treated the Book of Mormon lightly, chasing ecclesiastical power, financial schemes, and institutional vanity. Removing Christ’s name in 1834 was not marketing; it was the outward sign of a spiritual withdrawal. The early Saints knew it. When the Kirtland Temple was dedicated in March 1836, Joseph Smith’s dedicatory prayer pled with God to restore what had been lost: And also this church, to put upon it thy name." (D&C 109:79) One does not plead with the Lord to place His name upon something that already possesses it. The Prophet’s Admission: The Condemnation Was Never Lifted Many members assume that whatever early mistakes occurred were resolved during the trek west or swallowed up in institutional growth. Yet the Church's own thirteenth president, Ezra Taft Benson, repeatedly took the pulpit at General Conference to tell the membership that the condemnation had never been removed. In October 1984, President Benson warned: In the 84th section of the Doctrine and Covenants, the Lord decreed that the whole church was under condemnation, even all the children of Zion, because of the way they treated the Book of Mormon. 'And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent,' said the Lord... I received the distinct impression that God is not pleased with our neglect of the Book of Mormon." Two years later, in his landmark October 1986 address, "The Book of Mormon—Keystone of Our Religion," President Benson reiterated: I reaffirm those words to you this day. Let us not remain under condemnation, with its scourge and judgment, by treating lightly this great and marvelous gift..." And in October 1988, in "Flooding the Earth with the Book of Mormon," he acknowledged the reality before the entire Church: Some of us may not live long enough to see the day when the Book of Mormon floods the earth and when the Lord lifts His condemnation. (See D&C 84:54–58.)" Ezra Taft Benson passed away without ever declaring that the condemnation had been lifted. The name of the Church was the Church of Latter Day Saints when Joseph died. No prophet since has claimed the condemnation has been lifted. If the entire Church was placed under condemnation in 1832, saw Christ’s name withdrawn in 1834, and remained under that condemnation more than 150 years later, upon what scriptural basis does the modern LDS Church claim unbroken divine endorsement and institutional infallibility? Character Over Performance: Escaping Institutional Blindness When institutions slide into apostasy, they invariably shift the definition of righteousness. They trade godly character for programmatic performance. LDS culture has become entirely performance-driven: temple recommend interviews, tithing settlement receipts, statistical attendance metrics, and compliance with the "Covenant Path." Yet throughout scripture, God rejects outward performance that lacks an inward, broken-hearted transformation: The Lesson of Lehi: In 600 BC, Jerusalem had an active temple, an ordained priesthood, and meticulous Sabbath observance. Yet the Lord did not tell Lehi to stay and fix the system; He commanded him to walk away into the wilderness. The Wheat and the Tares: The Savior warned that within His field, the wheat and tares grow together until the harvest (Matthew 13; D&C 86). Sitting comfortably in a pew does not make one wheat. The institutional tare is burned alongside the secular tare. Condemnation Leads to Rejection: The Doctrine and Covenants warns that whenever men exercise control, unrighteous dominion, or pride, "the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man" (D&C 121:37). Apostasy does not happen overnight. It begins with pride, moves into condemnation, and in the next section you will see from D&C 124 it ends in divine rejection. The Journey Ahead: Real Church History Questioning the validity of an institution you have loved is one of the most disorienting experiences of your life. But you are not stepping into darkness; you are stepping toward genuine light. This article introduces a four-part series designed to walk you through the facts that have been omitted from the Sunday curriculum: Part 1: The early warnings, the 1832 condemnation, and the historical reality of the 1844 institutional rejection. Part 2: Current structural crises, corporate consolidation, and the loss of original prophetic gifts in the modern Church. Part 3: The "Temple Covenant Path" contrasted against the true "Doctrine of Christ" found in the Book of Mormon. Part 4: The prophecies of Isaiah, the authentic Remnant, and recovering Joseph Smith's original vision of Zion. You do not have to abandon your faith in God, your love for the Book of Mormon, or your respect for Joseph Smith to acknowledge historical truth. Real faith welcomes the light. It is time to prove all things.

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Who was the man in white who led Lehi into a dark and dreary waste?

What should we learn from this?

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Responses to Internal Dissent

The LDS Church claims that if the Book of Mormon is true, then the LDS Church must also be true. Additionally, they say, if Joseph Smith was a prophet, then Brigham Young must be one as well. But are those statements accurate?

 

Numos consider these forced assumptions with unsupported evidence, much like the man in white from Lehi's Dream, is presumed to be good, yet he led Lehi to a dark and dreary waste. At some point all of us need to stop as Lehi did, and honestly examine if those we are following are leading us to the real fruit God prescribed or a false substitute.

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Numos do believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet, the Book of Mormon is scripture, and that the original Church founded by Joseph Smith did have divine authority, but unlike the typical Latter-Day Saint, Numos identify that something changed along the way. That development was the Church's loss of Christ sanctioning them. This development was not obscure and is easily found in Church history and the LDS Church's Doctrine & Covenants scripture. 

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The Church of Christ was established in 1830 by Joseph Smith. By 1832, the Church fell under condemnation. (See D&C 84:54-58). In both the April and October 1986 conferences, president Ezra Taft Benson pointed our attention to verses in D&C 84 which indicate that the church was under condemnation, and declared the Church had still not come out from under this censure. In 1834, when the membership ignored the call to repent and follow the teachings in the Book of Mormon, the Lord removed His name from the Church, changing it from the Church of Christ to the Church of Latter-day Saints. A decade later, the Church slid still further from condemnation to outright rejection by the Lord in 1844 and the life of the Church's prophet was allowed to be taken. (See D&C 124: 31-33 and 44-45).

 

Three of the greatest pieces of evidence that this rejection of the Church occurred are:

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1) The Saints were once again driven from Illinois, as they had been in Kirtland and Missouri, rather than being protected and not moved from their place, as D&C 124:45 outlines. 


2) The Nauvoo Temple was not accepted by the Lord,  as the Kirtland Temple was. The Nauvoo Temple was destroyed by both man and an act of God, through arson fire and then a tornado, while the Kirtland Temple which was accepted still stands today.


3) Following Joseph Smith's death, canonized "thus saith the Lord" revelations stopped. 

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The Book of Mormon, like the Bible, gives multiple accounts of the people and Churches falling under condemnation, being rejected, overrun, held captive, or destroyed. The Book of Mormon starts with Lehi as a prophet, and Jerusalem being destroyed, and ends with the prophets Mormon and Moroni witnessing the elimination of the apostate Nephite nation.

 

There is no scripture or revelation in which the Lord tells us that a people or a Church cannot be led astray or fail, for even Christ’s original church apostatized and changed.  The Book of Isaiah continually foretells ancient apostasy and predicts that these things will happen again in the future. Furthermore, throughout Isaiah, he tells of a  Righteous Remnant returning. People can not return if they have never left. It is important to realize that the gospel and the Church are not one and the same. The Gospel will not fail, but the Church and its people can and consistently have.

 

Further undermining the LDS Church's argument that the Church will not go astray is the fact that they already have by their own admittance.  Brigham Young's teachings were disavowed, by the Church itself. Brigham Young's Adam is God doctrine, Man's own blood atonement teaching, plus the Church's Black's priesthood ban and information that Black's were a subhuman race, were all reversed by the LDS Church. The controversial doctrine of Polygamy pushed by Brigham Young and falsely attributed to Joseph Smith has often be revoked, restored, denied, ghosted and also called Eternal and Immovable, until it is needed to be minimized and hidden again.

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Examine more of this site to learn, if the Church is Not True, what is the Lord's plan going forward. This onward aspect of the Gospel is so hopeful and timely for our day and central to the Numo message.

A MESSAGE TO THE EX & ANTI MORMONS

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Important parts of the Gospel have been lost, destroyed or ignored particularly pertaining to the Last Days

While many people demonize Mormonism, particularly Anti-Mormons and Ex-Mormons, Numos recognizes that Mormonism is solidly Christian-based and contains elements of the Gospel that have been lost, destroyed, or ignored, which will play a significant role in the Last Days on Earth unfolding. 

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Much of the angst shown toward Mormonism comes from the post-Joseph Smith LDS Church's teachings of polygamy and temple ceremonies. Numos believe that, when given a closer, unbiased look at the earlier Mormon Church, under Smith, they will find they were just as Christian as other groups accepted as followers of Christ. There are an estimated 33,000 different Christian denominations and close to 50 major categories of them, yet Mormonism is singled out as being incongruent to the rest. 

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The earliest vitriol against Mormonism was stirred in part by paid pastors who saw the faith's conviction that there should be no paid ministry as a direct threat to their livelihood. These threatened clergy members used Smith's account of the First Vision, seeing an angel, and the new scripture of the Book of Mormon as grounds to attack him. Yet each of these had a place in the Gospel and was experienced and prophecied as part of the doctrine in scripture. Smith's enemies were actually besieging the faith they claimed to defend and be experts on.

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What Joseph Smith claimed to see in his First Vision was also experienced by other eyewitnesses: Isaiah (See Isaiah 6:1-5), Daniel ( Daniel 7:9-10,,13-14, 10:7-8), Abram (Genesis 15:1), Ezekiel (Ezekiel 1:1, 26-28), Miciahah (1 Kings 22:19), John (Revelation 4 &5). Furthermore, prophets and scripture foretell that an additional record similar to the Bible will come about, be joined with the Bible, and be one in the hand, equal to the Bible. (See Ezekiel 37:15-19) So, where is this record today, and who will it come from, if Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon record is not that document?

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As you can see, Mormon teachings actually embrace a great deal of Christian history and doctrines that other "so-called" Christian faiths gloss over or omit entirely. 

Mormonism also focuses on the need to make and keep covenants with God, as do popular Christian groups called "Covenant Keepers".  Mormon teachings emphasize spiritual growth, actual communication with God, and divinely directed sacrifices, which many other Christian faiths are lax on or argue that they are not needed.

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Another notable omission in the so-called Christian emphasis is the Birthright Blessings that Jacob gave to his sons. Genesis gives an important insight from Jacob's blessing to his sons. (See Genesis 49 ) The Birthright is to one son who later sells it to another, passing it to the Tribe of Joseph. Most Christian faiths downplay the importance of this blessing. Yet, the Birthright had significant importance in Old Testament History. The existence of the Lost Northern Ten tribes is also not calculated by the predominance of the Christian faith, meaning the Jews, only one of Jacob's sons, get all the attention, and the other eleven tribes are not accounted for. 

Recognizing this glaring hole in the End Times scenario is important to get right and safely navigate the turbulent Last Days prophecied by Isaiah. Jacob's blessing to his son was a distinct, and much larger, laying on of hands, saying his land was to be across a well or body of water, and in everlasting hills or an unbroken chain of mountains. North and South America are the only places on Earth with such a geography and are also the location of the Book of Mormon, which claims to be a record of the Tribe of Joseph or Stick of Joseph, as mentioned in Ezekiel 37. No other record has come forth with such a claim or with a meeting of the geographical requirement given in Jacob's blessing.

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Christians point out that the Jews missed identifying Jesus. Yet, the Old Testament foretells that the Last Days' Christians who are grafted in Gentiles will largely fumble and miss an End Time Restoration, causing the Gospel to revert to a people of Israel. Isaiah prophesies these events to occur before Christ's Second Coming. The Gospel going back to Israel and the Jews will be brought back through a Righteous Remnant, whom the Lord awakens, qualifies, and leads, protected from End Times calamities through a modern-day exodus. (See Isaiah 1 & many other chapters through out Isiah) The Righteous Remnant are not needed if the Gentile Christians were correct in their teachings and in tune with the Spirit. 

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As the World worsens, each individual needs to check whether what they believe matches the events unfolding and what has been prophesied. For those who doubt Mormonism and the Numo message, they should compare what Isaiah has said regarding the Last Days and the necessity of the Remnant coming about.

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The Swedish Rescue

The "Swedish Rescue" refers to a November 28, 2010, Special Fireside held in Stockholm, Sweden, by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, featuring speakers Marlin K Jenson of the First Quorum of the Seventy and Assistant Church Historian Richard E. Turley, Jr. The meeting was for these leaders from Church Headquarters to answer questions of local leaders and members who were experiencing a growing faith crisis regarding church history, polygamy, and other topics.

 

Hans Mattson, of Sweden, also attended the meeting and helped organize it. He had been a General Authority for the Church from 2000 to 2005 and said he told locals that he "didn't have any clue about the non-correlated material," but felt historians would know all the issues related to the members’ faith crisis questions. Those who attended quickly recognized that Jenson and Turley were not sitting on a mountain of evidence unknown to members, and responded in ways that were illogical and that they were nothing more than apologists for the Church. The meeting ended with the Salt Lake Leaders telling those attending they could accept their answers or would be shown the door to leave the Church.

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